Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. Spent casings matched Turner's handgun and a witness saw a car similar to hers parked next to Andrew's car. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. A three-volume report released in 2006 by coroner Peter Markesteyn blamed fundamental flaws in the province's social services for Zachary's preventable death. She, floored by grief. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. Id come in and Id be excited, Kate says. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. Related:Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. Was it a tight bond? She was placed on suicide watch after intake screening. It would take two weeks. That woman then escapes to Canada while evidence against her is gathering, and then she has his baby while the extradition process drags on. And we, would have agreed to anything. Kurt's film, meanwhile, was released last year and hailed in the US as one of 2008's most moving documentaries. Time to keep marching, as David says, in order to be there for their grandson. Then, 8.5 months after Andrew Bagby was murdered - July 18, 2002 - Turner gave birth to a boy, who she named Zachary Turner. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. Easy duty. "He was beautiful," Kate . He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. We finally got a baby.. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. I sat there. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. Cpl. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. I wouldn't say I enjoyed the story - There is no happy ending but it brings to light the serious issues surrounding the system. It's great. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. This is the most moving and incredibly outrageous true story I've ever heard. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. One day he walked into the electronics shop where David worked. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. Late the next night, Turner put Zachary in a car and drove in intermittent heavy rain from St. Johns to Kelligrews on the Atlantic Ocean. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . You know? They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. For the second time, the Bagbys were left stunned at the leniency of the courts. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. The next day, she got in her car with her gun.. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. He was such a good baby. One of the best books that I have ever read. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. "They are appalled and outraged.". Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. The movie had me in tears and in rage all at once. But that is what the Bagbys. Snow. By Mike Cassidy | Bay Area News Group. She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. Change is slow. I was just gone. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. Right? To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. Not always.. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. He was like, `Eh, mm.' KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' Both of them were victims of murder. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. I always thought life was good until Andrew was killed, Kate says, sitting in her Sunnyvale kitchen. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. At times, one would pull the other back from the brink. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. This is a fascinating,horrific and humbling read. Was it true? Trigger warnings for murder, stalking, abuse, and child murder.The Bagbys are saints and seeing the story as it played out for them was better than any true crime book I have read. Zachary thought he could just walk. Do you understand? KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. She was deranged. Not always. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. It is a story of their love for an infant and a tale of their determination to care for the child, even if it meant learning to live with the woman they were sure had killed their son. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. Shortly after Andrew's death, his friend Kurt Kuenne had started to a make a documentary about the murder, asking friends and family to share their memories of Andrew. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. Andrew is dead. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. Did. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. . Cpl. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. But in their time of supreme grief, they had no way of knowing just how much darker their world could get. She was granted bail and awarded custody of the child despite the fact that she faced charges ofpremeditated murder and had fled the U.S. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. The world is a better place because David and Kate are in it! us around. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. The Bagby's lived a nightmare that no person should ever have to go through and I admire their courage and strength. I think about the Bagby family all the time. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. He loved to laugh, Kate says. They would go to Pennsylvania to . ", Get email updates with the day's biggest stories. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. And now it's just. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). Another guy and I said, `Sure. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. You know how loved ones you've lost take on sort of a rosy glow in your memories? "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. get in there, if that's what she demanded. Some months ago I watched the documentary, "Dear Zachery" on Netflix. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. The 28-year-old California native, a family medical practice resident, died Nov. 5, 2001. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. show takes four couples who are having trouble. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. 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