But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. Its always good to get correction! Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. Lumping every mega church together is not a healthy thing to do. So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. Because your worth it! LOL! If you dont like it, too bad. Market data provided by Factset. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. I'm a bank robber. MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. lq mk point taken). The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. or redistributed. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. Not on Amazon it aint! For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. 3. Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. Find a Church . I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. Some are good, some are bad. Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. We stray from scripture at out peril: http://www.whatisthegospel.org.uk. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. God is everywhereeven in the news. Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. 2. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. Simply not true. Thanks for this. As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". I will reply to them briefly. It happens. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. [27][28][29], MacArthur describes himself as a "leaky dispensationalist. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. Would you add John Piper, Tim Keller and Alaister Begg to your bonfire? [36] Speaking about evolutionary theory, he writes that Christians "ought to expose such lies for what they are and oppose them vigorously." They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. Have mercy! John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. When searching for churches outside of the United States, please search using city, country. Dear David, We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. Matt. [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. Excellent post David. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." And lets talk about finance. The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? All rights reserved. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. Join Transformation church Sunday service at 11AM with Michael Todd, Live Stream (April-24-2022). Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. . Finally that book! An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. Legal Statement. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! 4) Wrong on all counts. "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." . PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." what evidence do you have for that?). David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. Conclusion: And now I wait. Your email address will not be published. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. End of Discussion. He was unable to preach the second service. Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? Jenna . We only do pale imitations of what is not great anyway! The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. A point you also mentioned. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. 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