This is the chilling final photo posted by a woman whose husband is accused of brutally murdering her and their two young daughters. Stealing the kids identities? My partner's half sister is like this. "ACTION TAKEN: CBI Agent GALBRAITH interviewed LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018. He left one of their bed sheets in the field with the bodies. I think if Shan'ann had lived she would have ended up being another Dee Dee Blanchard. Sandra Rzucek wrote that in her 2018 letter to the DA. The 500K was in 2015as of 2018, they were about 100K in debt (student loans, etc.) I asked LEONARD about his relationship with SHANANN. American Murder: The Family Next Door focuses on the 2018 disappearance of Shanann Watts and her two young . He learned of this case from social media and news. And charged all the furnishings on credit. Does anyone know when she began calling herself Shan'ann and why? And a few people I know in real life. He withdrew the girls from school before the cops got involved. The only other option would have been for Chris to be full-time parent. Shanann's husband, Chris Watts, 33, can be heard singing in the background." . I just dont get the callousness towards the girls. Now, I'm not saying the kids deserved to die - but the wife just seemed like a massive pain in the ass. Anyone have a guess as to why Chris was so brutal with his daughters? Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche] January 14, 2019 / crimerocket_pmfrt4 / 34 Comments. Ill bet he tried so hard to keep his 401k funded. He was interviewed by the CBI but he hasn't made any other public statements as far as I'm aware. He had already been contacted by NBC News. Im not saying she killed anyone, but I think she goaded him. She was determined to stay healthy and with her love for her Celeste, every moment with her was a blessing. Sorry, anyone that feels for this monster needs his or her head examined, pronto. He did not receive a warm welcome when he reunited with them in NC. The Watts' house reminds me of a size 14 girl squeezing into a size 6 dress. I just think he lost it. We never had to go to the ER together. My god, as much as I cannot stand Shannan, Jennifer and Sarah Hart were much worse! Yes, people were buying things they could afford, but this That doesnt make sense. She wanted her name to be unique and to standoutand to make pharmacists nervous about trying to call it out over the PA system without offending her. Not for one second did I think that the big confession Watts gave cops would be so brutal and nasty. The documentary, entitled American Murder: The Family Next Door, began streaming on September 30. R150 The overspending was documented on her social media and records about the financial problems are out there as well. If the tables had been turned, you bet it would have been called abuse. And even during the confession, he still doesnt seem to feel bad for the two little girls. I thought that we at DL had figured out what likely happened months ago (had pretty good, comprehensive theories about that night that made sense): he covered the girls faces while they were asleep in their beds (possibly even after sedating them) so they quickly died practically in their sleep and never knew that it was daddy who did it. A big fat scene to get away from the MIL, complete with an ultimatum. With the anticipation of her son to join them she knew he would be loved by his sisters and family. Why does everyone on this thread seem so willing to badmouth a victim none of you have met? Interview concluded at 1448 hour. R181: The friend is Chris Watts ex-girlfriend. On social media, the couple seemed like they had a perfect marriage. Watts was convicted of strangling his wife, Shanann, 34, in the house and then smothering his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, at his work site. Considering how Shanann gained the confidence of others and used them, I have no doubt she wouldve alienated the girls against Chris. Shanann was running another scam, Im positive. [quote]I dont trust every single thing he said & I still think he cares enough (for whatever reason) about his reputation & how people view him (close friends, family members like his mom & dad, and even Nichol K. and the public) to leave certain things out/fudge the truth about some of the incidents he described. They all look like a ringing endorsement of health, R15. Some features on this site require a subscription. Theres a story there. Four months after Shanann Watts posted that photo, her husband sits in a jail in Colorado, suspected of killing her, along with their daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. The family is survived by Shananns father, Frank Rzucek; Mother, Sandra Onorati Rzucek; Brother, Frankie Rzucek whom were inseparable and best friends; Uncle, Rocky Onorati; Aunt, Sharyn Onorati; Aunt, Robynn Odom; Uncle, Steve Onorati; and many nieces, nephews, cousins and close friends. LEONARD was unable to get details from her. [quote] Of course what Chris Watts did in murdering his family and especially his children was horrendously wrong. I truly hope a movie is made of her in an honest light. I have to wonder if she didnt try to historically get some cash contributions from her parents by asserting she had medical debt. Cans Natz. SHANANN would stay gone, but he was never concerned that something happened to her. I also think those same things motivate him to not be completely truthful about his true motives, etc. And Jim Id love to know more. Fact: Court documents listed Shanann as a co-owner of Dirty South. After the divorce, LEONARD kept his, but changed it to $100k and changed the beneficiary. R154: why did Chris have her sell her house, drag her across the country, purchase a $400K house he could not afford in his name only, then murder her and their children? LEONARD said that people liked SHANANN. LEONARDs current wife, dabbled in Thrive, which was the same employment as SHANANN WATTS. R222 everybody was exaggerating the crap out of their income and assets when applying for loans back then and getting away with it. LEONARD reported that he and . Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger. How hard is it to diagnose asthma? I notice other than no longer wanting to be with him, he had nice things to say about her, she was a hard worker, people liked and were drawn to her and she got along well with them. Shanann Watts Brother Always Worried About Her and the Girls But Couldnt Protect Them, Days Before Murder, Chris Watts' Wife Shanann Was Worried: 'What If He Really Doesn't Love Me Anymore? I wrote that R420 post on the last thread, out of ballistic anger at how this confidence woman (conwoman) is getting canonized on other forums. The other thing that made me think he dated her because her nickname implies she has hanann was bitchy and competitive and condescending. How wrong we all were. He assumed that SHANANN kept her policy and would have changed the beneficiary. The Watts family murders occurred in Frederick, Colorado, United States, during the early morning hours of August 13, 2018. I got smacked around for saying it, but Chris is boring and shes much more interesting. On November 6, 2018, Watts pleaded guilty to multiple counts of first-degree murder as part of a plea deal when the death penalty (which was later abolished in Colorado in 2020) was removed from sentencing. He just doesnt. According to Shannans ex, she had many of the same traits as Chris! But Chris was already involved in an affair: He had become intimate with an unwitting co-worker who believed he was getting a divorce from his wife. R141 Your boy was fucked with or without the nosy friend. I cant come back like this. People are not born Coverts Narcissist, they become and it stems from bad parenting. Ugh time to FF the troll who is obsessed with this sexy murderer. He should have snapped and just taken off. Has there ever been a more inept family killer? Makes me want to slap those agents silly. The 33-year-old pleaded guilty to killing his wife Shanann Watts and their children Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, in exchange for avoiding the death penalty as part of a plea deal. She tore through life, grabbing grabbing grabbing, and demanding. Watts worked as an operator with the oil drilling company Anadarko. Nothing out of the box. That really upsets me. He had already been contacted by NBC News. There is never a good enough reason to do what he did. The two met in 2010 when Chriss Lee Watts was an employee of the Anadarko Petroleum, Woodlands, Texas. This has kept me entertained. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. lol, Chris Watts is a victim of his own choices, that's about it. Chris Watts was charged with the murders of Shanann and their daughters Bella and Celeste on Aug. 21, 2018. LEONARD said that he was very interested in marriage counseling and they went to a couple sessions, but it was virtually impossible to engage SHANANN in conversation. Replying to myself - FattieWattie should be pronounced Fatty Watty as in Wat that rhymes with Fat..Ive fucked up on the first post already :/. R163, I didnt say she was a prostitute; she was scamming, embezzling, laundering money. I cant figure out how they got so deeply in debt AGAIN after the first bankruptcy. All until they were diagnosed w/asthma then Shanann w/ her neck surgery which out of pockets 25,000. Chriss friends wife hugged Chris and Shanann forbade him from seeing that friend anymore. Shanann was so excited to have her first baby girl. R84, "asthma" is a generic and very general diagnosis. He probably knew that already. And she had turned thee dining room into a clothing store with commercial racks filled with clothes. Watts likely justified to himself (wrongly, of course) their murders based on this. Has everyone already forgotten the sub prime mortgage explosion of the early 2000s? I bet Shanann whacked out a lot. Identity is an interesting thing. I disagree r147, not with your assertions about how the kids would've ended up, but with Chris taking any of it into consideration. Chris Watts. Bella especially went through absolute hell. Shanann's ex husband Leonard King say's "it was virtually impossible to engage with her" Murder Mysteries 2.8K subscribers Subscribe 7.9K views 4 years ago Shanann's ex husband found. Look up the Anadarko explosion that occurred at battery in Mead, CO, about 20 miles from Cervi 319, the battery Chris Watts buried his wife at, and at which he dumped his daughters bodies into tanks. I spoke with LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018 at 1427 hours. This community exists to discuss the murders of the Watts family and the subsequent arrest of Chris Watts. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN married in 2002/2003 and divorced in 2007/2008 in SC. R231, thats a very good point. From her sketchy past and grifting ways, to the possible Munchausen Syndrome or Factitious Disorder, to the MLM scheme she was knee-deep in, to her dozens of vapid Facebook livestreams and Instagram posts now eternally available for public consumption and dissection, to her manipulation of "friends" and family, it's evident she was at best a woman desperate to appear more successful than she was ever capable of being, and at worst, a straight up con woman. Thats bullshit made up by her crazy ass, psycho in-laws the ones that raised a murderer. I also love when people say she got a huge settlement from her first husband in their divorce. On Feb. 18, over a span of five hours, Watts shared with investigators more disturbing details in how he killed his wife, Shanann, and their two daughters in August 2018. John Forbes officiating. That doesn't mean that is what happened here, but it's not that cut & dry. You dont consider others at all, nor think about others' feelings.. Unless theres a strong family history and a red flag symptom, no one that age has a fucking colonoscopy. Police are expected to release further details on Monday, when formal charges are announced. Any links? She stayed at home all day gaming while her wife worked full time at Kohls. He was so clinical in throwing away his wife (understandable) but the kids? KILLER dad Chris Watts revealed grisly details of his pregnant wife's murder in a bombshell prison letter, according to reports. Mrs. Watts is the smallest one. R58 even sounds offended that they don't meet his standards for child attractiveness. Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger.. She got along well with people. I asked LEONARD about his relationship with SHANANN. Its crazy & I just dont understand it. LEONARD agreed to share my contact information with his wife for her to call, if she knew anything about SHANANN, possibly through Thrive. Also, the surgery was in autumn, 2017, two years after the 2015 BK. If she was (if she was making $80K a year) she would have to end up paying him child support. Words have devastating consequences. But family members remain baffled by the murders, and police remain tight-lipped about how the woman and girls were killed, and what the suspected motive was. John Forbes officiating. 'I dont know what to think about this' Shanann wrote above the photo, adding two laughing-tears emojis. Only they know, but I bet that is the case. How did they qualify for such a large mortgage with the former bankruptcy etc. FFS, asthma is not so elusive and rare that several doctors over two years failed to recognize it. Those kids had a terrible life. I also find that interesting which seems to me she couldnt handle conflict either. Sham'ann was a phony OCD bossy frau. This is the business where its rumored Shanann. There was equity in the house but they didnt exactly buy low. Sounds like he was interested in counseling but she wasn't really into it, I'm guessing. It doesnt matter what her past mistakes may or may not have been. R218: Consider yourself lucky. Some features on this site require registration. If he had killed Sham'ann before she was pregnant and left the kids alive, he wouldve had a chance at pleading temp insanity. what happens to all their debt now? murdered both kids, killing the one though she fought him, I think it's safe to say he wasn't interested in being a parent AT ALL. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. It's 2:50 am and I can't sleep. Watts, 35, reportedly detailed the gruesome slaying of Shanann Watts in one of his prison letters - and he also revealed that he'd been thinking about killing her for "weeks." 15 Like he obviously must be to kill people. No college degree, working as a manager of a tire/rim shop, builds a gigantic house. LEONARD said that people liked SHANANN. I felt all along there was apparently a rush by the prosecution to get this case brought to closure while ignoring various aspects that to me were very important. Jesus. Look at how Shanann tells Cassie to ask if she can buy a house using her Mother, since Cassie and Josh Rosenberg under went a foreclosure 3 years ago. But pronounce it HayZoos. The man had the foresight of a gnat and zero sympathy, let alone empathy, for others. unless you was there, and Im sure you wasnt. Fact: Hisham was married and had children when Shanann worked there. And everything is LUPUS. Shanann was delusional in living beyond their means but she wasnt EVIL Chris Watts is. Im new to DL, didnt even know it existed until 2 days ago whilst I was googling all that spoke about Frau Shanann Watts, asides from reddit then this is the best place to talk about her, YouTube is full of irrational crazy people that cut you down if you say anything less than Shanann was a Saint, thankgods I can be real here. She was the store manager. On August 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann in their Colorado home. Sister of Private. LEONARD does not believe that the divorce decree addressed the life insurance policies. Her parents called her SHANan. He learned of this case from social media and news. She wanted people to ask her, "How should I pronounce your name?" Watts repeatedly talks about the murder of Shanann as this moment where he snapped because she supposedly threatened to take the kids away from him. 1. I would love to see a list that leads to Premeditated Murder. Back in NC, she was working for Dirty South Customs, managing the store. She said on Facebook that she would return from Scottsdale on Sunday, August 12. She has a few anecdotes that ring true to me, but I wouldnt vouch for her absolute truthfulness. That makes sense. But. They got married around 2002/2003 and divorced around 2007/2008. I have no use for him, but if the tables were turned, and the husband was filming, itd be seen as abusive. I really didnt. The family of a pregnant Colorado woman who was murdered by her husband paid tribute to her and said she was 'born to be a mother' at her joint funeral with her two daughters and unborn son. Yes indeed, we too use "cookies." And it was mostly consumer debt, no? And nursing school, befriending nurses and working in a childrens hospital? So she's the Laci Peterson of this generation? Which seems to me, but he was never concerned that something happened to her on. 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