I think I hugged my coworker of ten years when he retired, Paul actually recommends we greet one another with a holy kiss.. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. Peter Led about 3000 to Christ on the day of Pentacost. Our job is to sow seeds. Put a frog in a pot,with boiling water and the frog knows to jump out, but if the water is a slow boil, the frog with stay and finally be boiled. Jan 13, 2018. In 2001 my church began instituting #MLKWeekend in our annual church calendar, focusing on teachings of #MLK & the tragic legacy of systemic racism. Read the books and follow the formula. Maybe hes just old. How hard is it for men to keep their hands off women in the work environment? And then sometimes, you end up like me: done with it all, the system that props up people with give the title pastor, that is like fresh meat to the malignant narcissist. Bill Hybels has stepped down. @ okrapod: Its YOUR money they use. RE got to talking about guys grabbing a boobie feel with side hugs; she thinks it is pretty ubiquitous in the male population. I think I said in another thread, there are hugs and there are hugs and we can generally tell the difference. But Moses said to the LORD, Oh, my Lord, I am not eloquent, either in the past or since you have spoken to your servant, but I am slow of speech and of tongue. 11 Then the LORD said to him, Who has made mans mouth? -Behaviors went on for many years Sadly, this woman does not understand how business is conducted. Of course, if theres some hidden motive of those speaking out, thats one thing, but as has been said, this is all in the process of getting out after many questions have been raised about what was or wasnt done with previous accountability procedures (emails, board meetings, etc.). #metoo. Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. The church is one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. Worshipers of men. If you cant trust your pastor who can you trust? Certainly if Jodie is on staff currently, she needs her walking papers today! Thanks Dee. They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. why is she running alone with a man she supposedly feels uncomfortable around? The one about J. Ortberg? Cant people be sincere and caring without all that? Hybels' name should be mentioned, yes, but in a Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) sort of way, with seasonal or continuous confession and sorrow and repentance. The Spirit does the work: both in the calling and in the conversion. Wild!!! The Eurythmics. Used their positions of power to gain access to women who had big dreams Huge. He is loving and gracious and is you biggest fan! The logical conclusion of B. Brucker position is that ends justifies the means. He could have retired during the Big 40th celebration and the women could have been supported and validated. toward a fellow parishioner or perhaps esteemed clergyman?). I am NOT AMUSED! Without gossip and people looking out, anyone who has been hurt by church/leadership will simply be driven out, and the whole thing covered up. The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. From the website, its all sunshine and lollipops but the mask is really starting to slip. Publicado en 88000 . Once, while Mr. Hybels's wife, Lynne, and their children were away, the pastor took Ms. Baranowski out for dinner. It is the Spirits job to convict and change. The comments from some in the WCC Trebuchet Club has brought this home to me. However, for people like those profiled on this site who have fallen short in protecting those under their charge (say, by covering ups their own misdeeds and/or crimes or those of others) to reemerge in a place where they again wish to wield spiritual authority (by starting another ministry (sic) in which they assume spiritual leadership or selling books advising sheep on spiritual matters seeking funding from said sheep in each case) is massively troubling. Bills own admission appears to have been made at a meeting with certain Elders and Willow Creek Association Board members. Not at all but this bit sums up Hybels Leadership acumen we used to make fun of in the 90s. Should I be worried? That ambien thing sounds like plausible deniability, doesnt it? I though this was sarcasm but maybe she really was arguing that Bill should have that level of influence on anyone-let alone everyone he was bringing along. yikes! Statement removes all doubt, in my opinion, regarding serious sexual sin and leadership issues at Willow Creek Community Church as it comes to Bill Hybels. Stop attacking victims. Take responsibility for your actions and the role you played! The Devil is destroying yet another church. Kids will tell you straight up, but I kind of treat them like stray cats and let them come to me! Brad, given my age, their is a high probability that I was taking college bible class before you were born. People were being killed, thrown to lions and tarred and set on fire to be torches for for Neros garden parties. For most, even for insiders (like I used to be, 2x an elder) it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself! And many of them are, perhaps a number that would shock us all. "Willow Creek is known for its health and vitality as a faith community," he said. You know, Bill Hybels for two decades or more promoted himself as the one with a system that would revolutionize the church and make it relevant. Still, i know these women and they are godly and credible. Catherine-you are in permanent moderation. https://futuristguymedia.wordpress.com/pyramid-of-abuse-and-culpability-complicity/. . No one walks away unascathed. Prestige of Willow Creek? RE got to talking about guys grabbing a boobie feel with side hugs; she thinks it is pretty ubiquitous in the male population. If she ever blew the whistle on his evil-doing, he had prepared in advance the excuse he would give to the elders in his church: I had taken Ambien! Bill did nothing wrong at all! I dont know how to respond to the letter. Maybe they could get Lee Strobel back to write another book The Case for Bill. Some of how he came across might also be that to some extent, he too has been a victim of at least some lies and misconstrued intentions. Hey WCCC, set up an 800 number with an outside firm so anyone with information can call without fear of being shamed on stage or in the press. @ Davis and Natasha: And Pastor/Apostles Passive-Aggressive Attack Dogs (Tsk. Rats gnawing cables in two; We sat under their leadership at Willow Creek for several years and were sad when the Ortbergs left to California. You are so right. 1 comment about arms That is not old school. Once, while Mr. Hybels's wife, Lynne, and. A former minister of mine would give the teenage girl side hugs, which put his hand in a place it shouldnt have been. The Aurora from TSO Photography on Vimeo. How would I know. Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. Some sources say that they dated for five years, broke up, got engaged then broke their engagement and later got back together and finally got married. Publishers are pulling back for a reason. Call only those whose backgrounds really do show *above reproach* character. Who is the current pastor of Willow Creek Church? Your man-made system may not have won, but the winner here may be the truth, you know. And Jesus does not need Willow Creek. Many folks seem to focus on the shock horror when yet another wicked man is exposed. Wow. I love Diane Langberg. Thanks Dee. The comments we disallow often have to do with abuse of victims along with some other things. I also think if its true, it minimizes his and his wifes ability to legitimately point the finger at others, and the impact of their words, and that is very unfortunate. @ Davis and Natasha: Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. Hooray for David. Are you saying that letter posted was well written? One was at the Heidelblog about Tom Chantry and one at the Wee Flea about Iain Campbell, and both bloggers were commanding readers not to gossip, slander, or even form an opinion because we dont know anything, and maybe we dont even WANT to know anything. To fellowship with other believers? A former minister of mine would give the teenage girl side hugs, which put his hand in a place it shouldnt have been. These kinds of document preservation policies are in place to protect the organization. normal life stuff. What would you have suggested she tell her husband? Because it was not entirely clear what happened. Then I started questioning that after quite a few! Your experience fits my own. Recently posted by the Chicago Tribune, which has tracked this story since breaking it in March: Two publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels in wake of misconduct allegations.. Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching pastor) was on staff with Rob Bell at Mars Hill EMERGENT Church. Bill Hybels touched me, hugged me invited me to his room I left then went to my hotel room and cried.. I say we are. What we have a problem with is a man who by his own admission did a lot of untoward things, things that are the very definition of a sexual groomer, and did so behind the scenes while maintaining the aura of one who should be emulated. You did nothing to invite such horrors of sexual abuse. This is a serious question we all need to ask ourselves about our own churches. Home; NEWS; Actress; . Not surprising that you are getting off-colored comments from some WC members. I agree. They were taking Jesus away to be put in trial. Wild!!! Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. NB If anything uncomfortable happens again I will be saying something clearly to him & asking him to mind his manners. The issue with those who had represented themselves before God and man as being in a place of spiritual authority with the responsibility tojudgment were made public spin). They are in denial. At least you know what they are upfront . Maybe Im misinterpreting. Soon as your back was turned, the mask flipped off like a light switch and there was only the contempt of the Predator gloating over the stupidity of his Prey. Actually if the pastor or anyone is dealing with confidential matters (e.g., a member of the congregation is having a spiritual crisis or has a kid dying but doesnt want the general congregation to know[think back to the 1980s when many people shunned those with AIDS]) his or her email should be encrypted and his computers hard disk should be encrypted (and any backup encrypted). That is a mistake. Its up to friends what they do. And the devil is not after your church, WC. As we passed through the line I asked him if he would like a hug and he said he would. You are guilty of judging, something you say we are not to do. How many do you want, Brad? This stemmed from a Gospel of Personal Salvation and ONLY Personal Salvation (everything else was All Gonna Burn) where the only thing God would ask on J-Day was How Many Souls Did YOU Save? and the numbers in your sales record would be all that determined your position and rank in Heaven. Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. How many times do you think it needs to be posted? Bill Hybels got married to Lynne in 1974. She even volunteered in church (choir, Sunday School) and married an aspiring preacher! And theres nothing fundamentally wrong with that in the proper context. Of course, you have move people beyond that into a mature relationship with the Lord and some megas neglect this. Im not saying any of that is right. This is kind of my gig, you know. So your mind overrides your gut. Is it even possible that one leads to the other, as the power dynamic created by abuse is addictive? 2) Its the cost of doing business as a very large or successful church But at church with people you see week after week? Bill Hybels married Lynne Hybels back in 1974. When one person has an experience like this with a trusted friend and spiritual leader, they typically dont know how to make sense of it. 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